Saturday, January 08, 2011

Britain's gun laws and what we could have learned from them

I know the U.S. is a different country than Great Britain, but they are our closest of allies and once in a while we might consider that we don't have the best answers as to how to live in a peaceful society. Sometimes we can learn from others. It is too late to roll back the clock, but it is worthwhile to look at the gun laws in Britain. This from Wikipedia:

Gun politics in the United Kingdom

"Gun politics in the United Kingdom generally places its main considerations on how best to ensure public safety and how deaths involving firearms can most effectively be prevented. Despite its largely urbanised population, the United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. Its police officers do not routinely carry a firearm, and both the public and the police prefer this to continue. Gun ownership levels have traditionally been low. This was the case even before the imposition of modern firearm legislation. Hunting with firearms was always a relatively elite activity and 'gun sports' relatively uncommon. Recent mass shootings by persons with licenced rifles and hand guns have led to what is believed to be some of the strictest firearms legislation in the world.

In Scotland, since power to legislate on firearms was reserved to the UK Parliament under the Scotland Act 1998 that established a Scottish Parliament, this has led to tensions between Westminster and Holyrood with the Scottish Government wanting to enact still stricter laws."

Maybe its time we do something and pass some gun restriction laws with teeth and get the guns off the streets! What do you think?

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Blogger Scott R said...

We have learned that their restrictions have only disarmed lawful citizens and actually increased gun violence, these gun free zones are actually called victim disarmament zones. Their gun policy has been a disaster and many people have been killed from it but you won't see see that information shown here with a liberal MSM.

10:01 PM  
Blogger Charles Amico said...

As usual, those others with your point of view can't handle facts. You are entitled to your opinion, but not the facts. Sorry, I must call them as I see them. I notice you are from the Desert Southwest and frequent many survivalist web sites according to your own published sites you follow, such as these: Advanced Survival Guide, Be a Survivor, Conservatives Defending Liberty, Daily Survival, Dairy of an Underground Conservative - Fighting the Power, Enemy of the State, Global Guerrillas, Hillbilly Survival, ICE Raid Report, ModernSurvivalOnline, Notes from the Bunker, Patriots Against The NWO, Prepare, Stealth Survival, Survival Think Tank, Survival Topics, Survival Weekly,,, Survivalist News, Survive Right, Surviving in Argentina, The Survival Retreat and lastly, The War on Guns. Thanks for making my point! Need I say more. You seem a part of the problem instead of the solution. You believe everyone is out to get you. They're not!

6:22 AM  
Blogger Scott R said...

Well Charles when you cherry pick someones reading list you do no good service either and my statement on disarming England is based in fact that anyone could as easily as I can look up, Google it, or not or look at the cities here in the US with the areas of the largest gun crime and you will find they are already some of the most restrictive.

7:22 AM  
Blogger Charles Amico said...

OK, fair comment. I will do the Google search and if I am wrong I will make a corrected statement. Thanks for staying engaged. I am just really mad about this Rep. that was slain in Arizona as you can tell from my last two posts. Help me with it, what do you think the reason this happened?

7:42 AM  
Blogger Scott R said...

Charles Thank you as well for being involved and Let me say that I am just as outraged with this incident and I am sure as more facts come out we will see a clearer picture but it will not diminish that 6 innocent lives were taken and nothing can justify that, as a parent of 3 and 1 almost the same age as the young girl taken I grieve for them. As for why this happened at this point it is anyone's guess at this minute, this is still so fresh that they are picking the shooters life apart and I just hope that we get the real story on it but preliminary reports point to this guy being a little wacky but again it is still early, One question I have though is why the poor decision to not have security or police present? I think when you are a high profile person you should have it not only to protect the principal but to also protect those that will be around the principal. Again this is still early and well in the grieving stage lets let the investigation go forth because at this point it is all speculation.

Thanks Charles

7:57 AM  
Blogger chinasyndrome said...

Charles, Scott R is right as you check your facts you will find him to be correct. Gun laws only work for law abiding citizens. Criminals don't abide by the laws hence criminals.You will note most of us gun lovers follow the letter of the law i.e permits,legal guns. We are Americans = Free men. English = serfs to the throne. How can you have a blog entitled WE THE PEOPLE an post about giving up our rights? Sir I don't understand!We gun lovers are just as upset with senseless murders as you,yet we don't print opinion labeled as fact! Have a great day!


8:11 AM  
Blogger chinasyndrome said...

And the reason was the young man had pscych problems. It happens every day. It is only news when its some famous and it helps if a gun was involved preferably an Automatic, sir the reporters love it when it was an AUTOMATIC. A little girl was killed That is tragic. It would be just as tragic if he smashed her to death with a ball bat or hammer. He would possibly killed more with a car aimed in the crowd.It would of been just as tragic! Anyway it was due to mental illness.Nothing more nothing less.


8:18 AM  
Blogger Charles Amico said...

Scott R, thanks for offering additional commentary. You seem quite rational and caring as well. I agree it is all speculation at this point and we may never know the real reasons. I know the rhetoric doesn't help too and maybe I am contributing to it as well by posting my comments. If so, I am sorry and apologize. I guess we all have a point of view on guns. I grew up in the city of Boston in the most violent section of that community for my first 20 years of life. There were many fights between gangs back in the 50's there. We didn't use guns back then and gained respect without them. I didn't like the fighting either as I was a peacemaker at heart but did learn to take care of myself when it was needed. I was picked on quite a bit as a kid, but I finally got tired of it and learned self defense and was a Golden Gloves boxer. But something changed back in the 60's at the time of the Vietnam War and the proliferation of guns and the need for guns in this country. I could always see using them for hunting and eating the prey. Heck, I love venison. But the need to have one for self defense, I think just creates more people having guns and so on. What ever happened to talking. Chris Rock, the comedian, had a solution I liked and laughed at. He said let everyone have all the guns they want. Just have bullets cost $5,000 each. That way there would be no innocent shootings. :))) If someone is going to spend $5,000 for the bullet, they really must want the person shot!

8:47 AM  
Blogger Scott R said...

Charles there is no need to apologize the events here will bring out emotions and thoughts sometimes get blurred I have more than once stepped on my privates but learned from it, I have found that we are never always right and never always wrong and that's life, the key point in learning from an experience. Now small world here you being from Boston, I myself was born just north of Boston in the town of Danvers (next to Salem) again small world. Charles I will agree that (by my reading) things did change by the 60's but Guns to me are a tool that yes can be misused just as a car or a steak knife, I look more to the person behind the tool as the problem, again anything can be misused and there is no doubt that we have problems. I am a firm believer in that we are responsible for our own protection or me as a parent I am charged with taking care of my children and thee are many ways of doing that some will train and keep a firearm, some such as yourself will train such as you have, the point being is that every person will train differently and some things will not work for some, My daughter for example is 110# soaking wet and in her lifetime has a great chance of being assaulted therefore employs both lethal and non lethal tools to protect herself, as a parent I want her to have options. As for Chris rock I like the guy he is absolutely hilarious but I keep in mind he is an entertainer and I know he does not always practice what he preaches as I guarantee he has armed private security and that is his right, a choice. Charles the reason I am so vehemently against disarmament is because in most cases it only leads to more violence by not only criminals but by government as well. Coffee calls Charles catch you on the flip side.

9:20 AM  
Blogger Charles Amico said...

Enjoy the coffee Scott. It is a small world. I was living in Dorchester for 19 of those years and then lived in Waltham and Medford.

11:02 AM  

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